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Assuming you posted immediately after reading, you beat me by approximately an hour. :P

Not sure about the guy with Magnus. I thought Cerebro as well, but that's absolutely impossible. It looked like Magnus was looking at Grimlock on his screen, though I seriously doubt that was live feed--more likely Grimlock was a suspect for the shuttle theft. Looks like Berko will be showing back up, after all. Damned cool to see Magnus lose his temper the way he did, after seeing "by the books lawman" Magnus in the IDW-verse for so long.

Bad stuff has gone down on Nebulos, no doubt. Putting pieces together, it looks like there was a formal treaty between Cybertron and Nebulos to keep Transformers away. But part of it was restoring the Headmasters who lost partners in the Unicron War (and, presumably, the Battle of Klo). It specifically showed Brainstorm--fitting parallel that the first to undergo that experiment was the first to die fighting Unicron. (How I remember that, don't ask.) Someone has taken over Nebulos while the Autobots were away, and brainwashed the Nebulans. Bludgeon is a possibility. I'm thinking Scorponok, revived by the Nebulans (perhaps at the urging of Prime?), was really, really pissed at how "he" softened under Zarak's influence. The brainwashing could be a reverse-engineering of the binary bonding process, or maybe even the work of Mindwipe (also confirmed killed by Unicron).

From Grimlock's comments, something especially bad has happened with Slag.

Safe to say that Xaaron only called back the living Transformers in New Jersey way back when. After all, Grimlock and Thunderwing weren't returned, and I don't think Sky Lynx was, either. And, between the Decepticons in this issue and the stasis vaults when Grimlock "nucleoned them up," the dead (and near dead) weren't affected.

Megatron clearly found the dead Decepticons in stasis in Scorponok's former headquarters and revived them as zombies. Everyone in his group was killed during the Battle of the Underbase (all killed by Starscream except Ratbat, who Scorponok assassinated), and would've been in stasis there. Starscream and Ratchet are accounted for. So where are Galvatron and Shockwave? Obviously, he brought along only a small force, but it appears either he was especially confident or hasn't been able to restore the combination abilities of the special teams. Are the Constructicons among his lackeys? They've been MIA for a damned long time.

I'm going to guess that Josie never recovered. :( Her power level as Circuit Breaker dwarfs Spike's as Circuit Smasher by miles--she was able to halt Unicron, something no single Transformer could do. My guess is Fort Max was killed--right before or after this happened, Spike joined forces with Blackrock, and Josie's suit was reverse engineered by someone who didn't understand it as well, perhaps incorporating some Cybertronian tech (and, hey, with Furman's attention to detail, I'm going to say some jamming technology). The NeoKnights must be dead. Rapture's abilities would be useless against mind-dead zombies, and Dynamo's useless on a dead world. Spike's attitude is a mystery. While I can understand the "I'm pissed that not only could I not contact you, but you left us here with the nastiest 'Con of all for two decades," there's also the fact that these Autobots represent the only chance whatsoever of restoring Earth. Not to mention, no matter how many times he "retired," he was (literally) Fort Max.

Galvatron and Shockwave: MIA
Bludgeon: Leading an unknown group of 'Cons planning to overtake Cybertron.
Thunderwing: MIA, probably somehow preserved (at least consciously) by the power of the Dark Matrix
Demons: Unaccounted for. They could've been eradicated by the regeneration of Cybertron, but Primus seems to have been powerless before in dealing with them. Also, their origin has never been explained--were they forebears of the Transformers, or inhabitants of the planet before Primus became Cybertron?
Sky Lynx: MIA. Probably not with Berko, or it would've come up, but probably still in touch with him. I'm also thinking not on Cybertron, since a simple "Say hi to my big Pteranodon shuttle pal!" would've popped up in Berko's dialogue.
Mecannibals: Last seen eating all sorts in the Dead End. This was probably meant to explain why there seemed to be no NAILs civilians on Cybertron when Unicron arrived, but what happened to them was never addressed.
Soundwave: When did he leave Bludgeon's crew to return to Cybertron? And who came with him?

The big question to me, even though we never saw much of it: Klo. Nebulos and Earth both got screwed as a result of their involvement in the war. The Klozians were screwed over once by simply being in the wrong place. Unlikely Bludgeon would not be affected by a desire for vengeance upon them.

It'd be kinda fitting if Prime comes to Earth and defeats Megatron once and for all... by putting a bullet through Ratchet's head. I love Ratchet (who doesn't?), but none of this would've happened if he had executed Megatron back on the Ark when the two were merged.

I'm trying to think of any other wild cards. So far, looks like Furman's covering them all. I'd even forgotten about all the dead on the stupid island spaceship in Jersey.
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See, I would've never remembered the roster of the Underbase victims and connected them as Megatron's army because it's been so long since I read the first series.
This just makes me excited that Furman researched the whole damn 80 issue series and laid out a definitive plan for these 20 issues and tie up every end. I'm gonna be rubbing one out for the next 18 months.
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Autocracy.

Seriously, when did someone decide there would be multiple TF titles, and they'd be the best-written books around?
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Balls.
Either my guy didn't get Autocracy in yet, or he forgot to order it.
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It must've been out for a few weeks through the direct market; Amazon always gets them a bit after the comic shops.
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A little internet research reveals it came out 7/25.
Of course, I only let him know I was interested at the beginning of July when I became aware of it. Which is probably after he could've initially ordered it (probably back in April?). So I'll give it another couple weeks before I bug him about it.
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Some very nice, but very obvious, homages to the animated movie. Which makes sense, as it's Flint Dille co-writing.
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Hey, hey! Sky-Lynx and the Dinobots show up in the latest issue of RID. Except Grimmy. He's over in MTMTE.
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I saw the preview. He seems a lot different from his characterization in Autocracy, but I guess five million years'll do that for ya.
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Double post, but I somehow think Grimlock doesn't mind lots of posts in this particular thread.

I wanted to start reading the UK stories. I figured I needed to read the US stories they intertwine with first, since straight-up linear reading won't work. (The very first original UK stories were published while the entire Autobot army was "dead," but feature the entire team and don't really fit well in earlier issues either since there's no issue with fuel usage. It's a continuity clusterfuck from the start.)

I only got through the first two issues this evening, since they're the most text-dense comics I've ever read (well, not counting stuff by Image where guys like Lee hired their school chums with no experience to over-narrate everything.) My head hurts from the sheer amount of info-dumping going on.

And, holy fucking shit, these are two of the worst goddamned comics I've ever read! Just think: if the toys hadn't kicked ass, and the cartoon hadn't entranced everyone (despite its own, in retrospect, mediocre quality), no one would have ever bought a second issue of this series, it wouldn't have become an ongoing with #5, and the fucking epic Furman run of #56-100 (giving him the benefit of the doubt on eighteen issues there) would never have existed. The three current best-written comics would simply not be around. There's a good chance us Yanks would never have heard the names "Andrew Wildman" or "Geoff Senior." Our vernacular would not include phrases like "You're an idiot, Starscream."

Really, they are that bad. Which is astounding. Bill Mantlo. Frank Springer. Jim Salicrup. Ralph Macchio. Bob Budiansky. Michael Golden (fuck you in advance, Zaphod) on one cover. And, on the next two issues, Mike Zeck and Mark Texeira on covers.

I know already there's a sea change coming with #5; even if Budiansky wasn't up to Furman's level when he changed from editor to writer, he's fucking Shakespeare compared to this shit (at least until he started getting obviously bored and overwhelmed a couple years after, but, hey, even "Buster Witwicky and the Car Wash of Doom" beats the shit out of this). Again, Bill Mantlo. Jim Salicrup. Ralph Macchio. Bill Fucking Mantlo plotted this, and Jim Fucking Salicrup and Ralph Fucking Macchio scripted them. We aren't talking about some guy whose only experience was basically copy-editing an indie horror comic in Britain, with his only scripting experience the occasional fill-in. (No, that's the guy who would shame them all 54 issues later.) These guys are not slouches. Mantlo in particular is a sort of comic book demigod.

But every fucking panel is an info-dump, and, when you get past the extraneous info, the plot is shit. The war on Cybertron waged for only 1,000 years before this Saturn-sized (could swear it's much smaller later on) planet is knocked out of orbit. All because Megatron thinks the Autobots are lame and wants to introduce them to warfare. No shit. Then he decides, after Cybertron's a sort of interstellar free agent, that he will rebuild it as a cosmic war machine. I guess he forgot all about that plan for the rest of time in this universe. The Autobots build the Ark (at the request of some guy who appears to outrank Prime) to clear a path through an asteroid field. Which they do by standing on the outside and shooting it with their handheld weapons. No fucking shit. One ship, less than 25 Autobots, handguns and shoulder cannons--to clear a path for a planet the size of Saturn. Then they're ambushed by Decepticons, who have a fuckton more soldiers at this point but only miss Shockwave when they are revived. They break into the Ark, twice judging from the poorly-written text. One of them looks like Optimus Prime. Seriously. I know it's probably just artistic license, but wouldn't that be the guy you'd be most concerned about losing if he just simply vanished in the ensuing four million years? Which, by the way, they know to be the span of time they're out, despite not recognizing the existence of people enough to even listen in on radio broadcasts. Oy vey. I can't go on, though I want to mention how fucking retarded it is that some random mechanic becomes such an important bargaining chip, because a guy in Oregon who understands cars can convert fossil fuels for advanced alien robots, but no one else on Earth (or from Cybertron) can? Fuck, this is bad.

On the one hand, I want to throw this shit away. On the other, again, I know it gets better. (It can't get worse, but I already read the other 89 issues that are currently out, and even the G.I. Joe crossover miniseries is better than this.) I see the names Mike Manley and Herb Trimpe in the upcoming art credits. This makes me happy.

Amazing that a toy comic lasted this long, with the first issue being on of the worst comics ever published, and the last being one of the best.
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I think they just didn't have a handle on the mythology. The entire concept was being made up as they went, and it was a licensed book, so they probably didn't really give much of a fuck. "Hey, four issues of a toyline tie in that nobody will remember next year."

It's funny, but my first issue of Transformers was #8 with the Dinobots and Ratchet fighting Megatron with Wonderful William Johnson art, and I realized much later that I lucked out that day and got the best issue of the first 56.
Most of the Budainsky's run rates somewhere between 2 and 5 on a good scale. But that issue is a 7.5 or higher.
The Cybertron issues were good also (17,18?) but jebus a LOT of that series is dreck. Pure dreck.
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There's a difference between not getting the mythology and being lazy as shit. G.I. Joe #1-2 are two of the best comics of the time. Guy writing it didn't even know why Snake Eyes wore a mask yet.

The first ones I read were 7-8. The first ones I actually bought were 4-6 (in one of those cool three-packs they used to sell). I usually read a friend's copies, but he didn't have those and I found them. The #5-9 arc and the #17-18 arc were easily the best Budiansky did.

BTW, #16 is by Len Kaminski and Graham Nolan. That's probably the highest interior pedigree a TF book got during the Marvel run. I don't recall it being anything earth-shattering by any means, but, thumbing through it, the pictures are pretty.
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16 was the stand alone Bumblebee story, right? The 13 year old me detested it because it was an obvious filler issue. I'd have to go back and read it objectively for the art/story.
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Yup. I was checking the credits in the table of contents (which the TF volumes have and the Joe volumes don't, for some reason, though the TF doesn't credit covers despite some heavy hitters like Golden, Zeck, Texeira, and pre-DCnU Lee), partly to see which other impressive names would pop up, and partly because I read somewhere the Budiansky wrote all but eight of the original 55 issues.

He only edited #1-4.
Kaminski wrote #16.
Two issues in the thirties were reprints of a UK story I recall loathing, but might appreciate more in retrospect ("Man of Iron"). I didn't realize until I got the first volume of Classics UK that it was the first original UK story, and that it was the only one to pre-date Furman's work on the book.
#43 was an adaptation of a cartoon episode, and I don't think he wrote that one.

Which would be seven. Clearly, that "eight" isn't counting the spin-offs (though I'm pretty sure Budiansky wrote the Headmasters mini, which for some fucktarded reason isn't just stuck in the reprint volumes where it belongs, so there'll probably be some extra book a couple of years down the road to collect it). Either it's off, or there's another issue between #39 and #55 that he didn't do, and I'm not especially compelled to check.
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No, that's eight.
1.1
2.2
3.3
4.4
5.16
6.33
7.34
8.43

Eight.
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